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	<title>Comments for MzEllen - For the Life of Me</title>
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	<description>...as of first importance...that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures</description>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review &#8211; &#8220;Forgotten God&#8221; by Moonshadow</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/08/17/book-review-forgotten-god/comment-page-1/#comment-28935</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fruit&quot; is one of those English nouns, like &quot;fish,&quot; whose plural isn&#039;t necessarily formed by adding &#039;s.&#039;  (the Greek is singular.) 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fruit#Etymology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wiktionary lists synonyms for &quot;fruit&quot;&lt;/a&gt; that, when substituted in Gal. 5:22 really bring it home to me: &lt;b&gt;from Latin &lt;i&gt;fructus&lt;/i&gt; &quot;enjoyment, proceeds, profits, produce, income&quot;, a derivative of Latin &lt;i&gt;frui&lt;/i&gt; &quot;to have the benefit of, to use, to enjoy&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

But, yes, the Spirit is one and unlike the gifts in 1 Cor. 12:4ff, the fruit is a package deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fruit&#8221; is one of those English nouns, like &#8220;fish,&#8221; whose plural isn&#8217;t necessarily formed by adding &#8216;s.&#8217;  (the Greek is singular.) </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fruit#Etymology">Wiktionary lists synonyms for &#8220;fruit&#8221;</a> that, when substituted in Gal. 5:22 really bring it home to me: <b>from Latin <i>fructus</i> &#8220;enjoyment, proceeds, profits, produce, income&#8221;, a derivative of Latin <i>frui</i> &#8220;to have the benefit of, to use, to enjoy&#8221;</b></p>
<p>But, yes, the Spirit is one and unlike the gifts in 1 Cor. 12:4ff, the fruit is a package deal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reading Material by Carl Hartzman</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/reading-material/comment-page-1/#comment-28688</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Hartzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you start a blog? Is it simple?</description>
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		<title>Comment on More on the Apartment by MzEllen</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/26/more-on-the-apartment/comment-page-1/#comment-28339</link>
		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ikea ones I think are wood, these are sturdy fiberboard.  I&#039;ll probably stop at an Ikea in Chicago when I go over Labor Day, but I need to book cases now, so I don&#039;t have boxes of books all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ikea ones I think are wood, these are sturdy fiberboard.  I&#8217;ll probably stop at an Ikea in Chicago when I go over Labor Day, but I need to book cases now, so I don&#8217;t have boxes of books all over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on the Apartment by Moonshadow</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/26/more-on-the-apartment/comment-page-1/#comment-28232</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered about that.  I thought if you were going there anyway, but now I see the spice rack is catalog. The Walmart price just seems incredibly inexpensive but go with your experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered about that.  I thought if you were going there anyway, but now I see the spice rack is catalog. The Walmart price just seems incredibly inexpensive but go with your experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on the Apartment by MzEllen</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/26/more-on-the-apartment/comment-page-1/#comment-28226</link>
		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have an Ikea near me - but I&#039;ve got 3 of the Walmart bookcases that I&#039;ve had for well over 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have an Ikea near me &#8211; but I&#8217;ve got 3 of the Walmart bookcases that I&#8217;ve had for well over 10 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on the Apartment by Moonshadow</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/26/more-on-the-apartment/comment-page-1/#comment-28224</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure those Walmart bookcases are too flimsy.  We always used cases from Ikea, like the Billys.

A major adjustment but it sounds like you are handling it alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure those Walmart bookcases are too flimsy.  We always used cases from Ikea, like the Billys.</p>
<p>A major adjustment but it sounds like you are handling it alright.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Biblical Case for an Old Earth &#8211; book review by Biblical Case for an Old Earth &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/19/a-biblical-case-for-an-old-earth-book-review/comment-page-1/#comment-28178</link>
		<dc:creator>Biblical Case for an Old Earth &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Previous chapters here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;disproving&#8221; CBMW teaching? by Comments about dictatorship, anarchy and democracy&#8230; &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2008/01/25/disproving-cbmw-teaching/comment-page-1/#comment-28069</link>
		<dc:creator>Comments about dictatorship, anarchy and democracy&#8230; &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Posted on January 26, 2008 by MzEllen   This is the bulk of Charity&#8217;s comment from a previous post: So, Ellen, are you saying that for you, the only alternative to unilateral authority is [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by MzEllen</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/16/the-sacrament-of-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-28040</link>
		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was in no way reacting to Karl’s pained experience&lt;/i&gt;

I responded to you...and then my computer slowed to a crawl and I shut it down and let it cool off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was in no way reacting to Karl’s pained experience</i></p>
<p>I responded to you&#8230;and then my computer slowed to a crawl and I shut it down and let it cool off.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by MzEllen</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/16/the-sacrament-of-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-28039</link>
		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, I think (&lt;b&gt;think&lt;/b&gt; that as with many denominations, the way things work varies.  I wish you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, I think (<b>think</b> that as with many denominations, the way things work varies.  I wish you well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by Moonshadow</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/16/the-sacrament-of-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-28037</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;need to seek an annulment &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I think that&#039;s true.

I hope it&#039;s clear from how closely in time our respective comments were posted that I was in no way reacting to Karl&#039;s pained experience - I&#039;m sad to hear of it, certainly and I can only extend my sympathy. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>need to seek an annulment </i></p>
<p>Yes, I think that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>I hope it&#8217;s clear from how closely in time our respective comments were posted that I was in no way reacting to Karl&#8217;s pained experience &#8211; I&#8217;m sad to hear of it, certainly and I can only extend my sympathy. Peace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by MzEllen</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/16/the-sacrament-of-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-28036</link>
		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you know my marriage is not sacramental...but valid...&lt;/i&gt;:

I guess if I had thought about it I would have realized it.  ;-)

Given that difference, would a person with a &lt;b&gt;valid&lt;/b&gt; marriage, but not &lt;b&gt;sacramental&lt;/b&gt; need to seek an annulment in order to be remarried within the Roman Catholic Church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you know my marriage is not sacramental&#8230;but valid&#8230;</i>:</p>
<p>I guess if I had thought about it I would have realized it.  <img src='http://mzellen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Given that difference, would a person with a <b>valid</b> marriage, but not <b>sacramental</b> need to seek an annulment in order to be remarried within the Roman Catholic Church?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by Moonshadow</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2010/07/16/the-sacrament-of-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-28019</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;To tell a person who wanted to stay married that ...&lt;/b&gt;

Even distinct from any ecclesiastical decision, i.e., in a civil divorce, one person may want to stay married. The push to divorce may not be mutual but no matter: it takes two to tango. 

I agree with you that what stings is the &quot;never existed&quot; part, when any reasonable person could see it did.  It&#039;s the same as saying an apostate &lt;i&gt;never really was&lt;/i&gt; a Christian, otherwise he would have persevered. There&#039;s too much presumption of cause that&#039;s determined wholly by effect.

The blanket advice given by one-size-fits-all counseling ministries - I heard &lt;a href=&quot;http://listen.family.org/daily/A000002720.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one on the radio&lt;/a&gt; the other night - concerns me.  Praise God when he fixes the broken people in a broken marriage, but what&#039;s the message to those he doesn&#039;t?

In the interest of full disclosure, you know my marriage is not sacramental - my spouse is not baptized - but valid, due to getting the appropriate little &quot;e,&quot; episcopal dispensation. I couldn&#039;t simply enter into another marriage on the grounds that this one is not sacramental. Above, you seem to say sacramental marriages are the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sorts for RCC? Not so.

I look forward to the next post when I can get more of your meaning.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>To tell a person who wanted to stay married that &#8230;</b></p>
<p>Even distinct from any ecclesiastical decision, i.e., in a civil divorce, one person may want to stay married. The push to divorce may not be mutual but no matter: it takes two to tango. </p>
<p>I agree with you that what stings is the &#8220;never existed&#8221; part, when any reasonable person could see it did.  It&#8217;s the same as saying an apostate <i>never really was</i> a Christian, otherwise he would have persevered. There&#8217;s too much presumption of cause that&#8217;s determined wholly by effect.</p>
<p>The blanket advice given by one-size-fits-all counseling ministries &#8211; I heard <a href="http://listen.family.org/daily/A000002720.cfm">one on the radio</a> the other night &#8211; concerns me.  Praise God when he fixes the broken people in a broken marriage, but what&#8217;s the message to those he doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, you know my marriage is not sacramental &#8211; my spouse is not baptized &#8211; but valid, due to getting the appropriate little &#8220;e,&#8221; episcopal dispensation. I couldn&#8217;t simply enter into another marriage on the grounds that this one is not sacramental. Above, you seem to say sacramental marriages are the <b><i>only</i></b> sorts for RCC? Not so.</p>
<p>I look forward to the next post when I can get more of your meaning.  Peace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sacrament of Divorce?!?!? by Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so........some of us are now FORMER Catholics due to the travesty of the annulment process.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the Catholic Church does not give a damn.
Any priest or bishop who tells you otherwise is a damned liar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so&#8230;&#8230;..some of us are now FORMER Catholics due to the travesty of the annulment process.</p>
<p>I can tell you from first hand experience that the Catholic Church does not give a damn.<br />
Any priest or bishop who tells you otherwise is a damned liar!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is Ali Jawad? by lunes linkage &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunes linkage &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who is Ali Jawad? [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Craig Keener on Subordinationism by Craig Keener on &#8220;subordinationism&#8221;; 1 Corinthians 15:28 &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2008/03/02/craig-keener-on-subordinationism/comment-page-1/#comment-27919</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Keener on &#8220;subordinationism&#8221;; 1 Corinthians 15:28 &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first segment (John 5) is here. In this first segment is Scripture, with my comments block-quoted/inset. 1) Christ reigns now. Christ is currently at the right hand of the Father (which is traditionally, a place of equal power and authority, and lesser rank) &#8211; we have a current example of submission. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The first segment (John 5) is here. In this first segment is Scripture, with my comments block-quoted/inset. 1) Christ reigns now. Christ is currently at the right hand of the Father (which is traditionally, a place of equal power and authority, and lesser rank) &#8211; we have a current example of submission. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Aunt Leila &#8211; that I never knew I had by The Pain of Life&#8230; &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pain of Life&#8230; &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve written about a possible first child, Leila.    If there was a Leila, she would have been born in 1919 and died very young. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Because He Lives by Because He Lives &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</title>
		<link>http://mzellen.com/2009/04/12/because-he-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-27862</link>
		<dc:creator>Because He Lives &#124; MzEllen &#8211; For the Life of Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He Lives  Posted on July 11, 2010 by MzEllen   A while ago I wrote this, remembering ancient [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Human Imperfection by Matt's Saints</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt's Saints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humility is the groundstone when writing things! Peace to everyone!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Another Counselor by MzEllen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MzEllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh...my sister told me that she read &quot;The Shack&quot; at the same time as she was reading Chan&#039;s &quot;Crazy Love&quot; and that it just made her hate &quot;The Shack&quot; all the more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230;my sister told me that she read &#8220;The Shack&#8221; at the same time as she was reading Chan&#8217;s &#8220;Crazy Love&#8221; and that it just made her hate &#8220;The Shack&#8221; all the more&#8230;</p>
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