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Salvation is by faith alone. That is a core doctrine of the Christian faith that the RCC denies.

It is said that, "Sola Fide, and Sola Scriptura are the two pillars of the Protestant Reformation. The other two branches of Christianity, The Catholics and the Orthodox don't hold to them

This much it true - it's why the Reformers rejected the false teaching of the Roman Catholic church

and the same "sombody" said, "As such then they are only 500 or so years old. So they aren't "core doctrines." In fact, on the church history timeline, they're relative late comers.

Let's look to Scripture first.

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” (Rom. 3:24).

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,” (Eph. 2:8).

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,” (Titus 3:5).

Contrast that with Trent: “If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema.” If you believe the Bible, Trent says, "let you anathema."

I wrote more here.

God:

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness,” (Rom. 4:3).

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Rom. 5:1).

Trent: Canon 24: “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”

God:

“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law,” (Gal. 5:1-3).

Trent: Canon 30: “If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.”

Which will you believe? (imagine a balance scale, the magisterium on one side, God on the other)

As for the um..."miscommunication" that Sola Fide is a latecomer...let's look to early church writings.

CLEMENT of Rome: "All the ancient fathers descended from Abraham, both before the Law and under the Law, were glorified and magnified, not through themselves, nor through their works of righteousness which they had done, but through His will. Therefore we, also, being called through His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified through ourselves, neither through our own wisdom, or understanding, or piety, or works which we have done in holiness of heart, but through faith, that faith through which the Almighty God hath justified all that ever lived; to whom be glory for ever, Amen!"

IGNATIUS (1ST CENT): "To me, Christ is in the place of all ancient muniments. For His Cross, and His death, and His resurrection, and the faith which is through Him, are my unpolluted muniments; and in these, through your prayers, I am willing to have been justified."

[Letter to the Philadelphians]: "The prophets also do we love, because they have announced the Gospel; and they hoped in him and awaited him. In him and by their faith in him they were saved, being united to Jesus Christ."

POLYCARP OF SMYRNA (AD 69-156) [in his letter to the Philippianss, ch. 1:3]: "Knowing that 'you are saved by grace, not because of works' (cf. Eph. 2:5, 8, 9), namely, by the will of God through Jesus Christ"
and
"The Lord Jesus Christ, who endured to submit unto death for our sins; whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of hell; in whom ye believe, not having seen Him, but believing ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory.... knowing that through grace ye are saved, not of works, but by the will of God, through Jesus Christ."

JUSTIN MARTYR: [Dialogue with Trypho, ch. XCII]: "For Abraham was declared by God to be righteous, not on account of circumcision, but on account of faith"

AMBROSE: "Without the works of the Law to an ungodly man, that is to say, a Gentile, believing in Christ, his 'faith is imputed for righteousness,' as also it was to Abraham. How, then, can the Jews imagine, that through the works of the Law they are justified with the justification of Abraham, when they see that Abraham was justified, not by the works of the Law, but by faith alone? There is no need, therefore, of the Law, since through faith alone, an ungodly man is justified with God."

CHRYSOSTOM (4TH CENT) [homil. de fide.] "If you believe faith, why do you bring other things in, as though faith alone sufficed not to justify?"

[2 ad Eph. serm. 5]: [speaking of the thief on the cross] "I can shew a faithful man without works... only faith by itself saved him."


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It was hot, so we moved outdoors (late at night). There is a streetlamp across from our house and I was sitting in the porch chair watching all of the insects swarming around it. (That is sort of cool, since that meant they were not swarming around me.)

Here's the neat part: I saw a really BIG bug - and realized very quickly that I was watching a bat swoop around getting dinner! (Kind of like going to the food court at the mall)

I've always said that bats are the "good guys". One park ranger out west told us that one bat, in one night, will eat a whole grocery bag full of mosquitoes. That's a GOOD guy!

I used to have a bat house in my backyard - until a woodpecker started putting a hole in it. Maybe I should hang it up again.

This (the thirde) essay is by R.C.Sproul. I could not find this essay on line.

How was the Canon established? By whose athority?

We have to remember that there was never a time when the Christian church was without Scripture; Paul cited the Old Testament many times. Since many of the early Christians were Jews they understood the covenant relationship between Christ and the church.

The church did not write the Scripture, the church received the Scripture and as early as the writing of 2 Peter it was being acknowledged that the apostolic writings were Scripture.

Some point to Martin Luther (for at least a time, Luther questioned the inclusion of the Book of James in the Canon) to argue that Luther is not believe that Scripture is infallible. This is wrong.

Luther argued repeatedly for the infallibility of Scripture - what he questioned was whether or not the Book of James was Scripture.

Luther never challenged the infallibility of Scripture; he challenged the infallibility of Rome.

So, if not Rome, then who?

It was Christ that the Father gives "all authority on heaven and on earth." After Christ came the apostles (sent ones), Peter, Paul and the rest. Irenaeus understood this and argued that to reject the apostles was to reject the One who sent them; Christ.

From the very beginning the church had a "functional Canon"; you can see it in the writings of the New Testament - Peter refers to Paul's writings as "other Scriptures" and Paul quotes from Luke's Gospel in 1 Timothy.

From the earliest writings of the church fathers, the New Testament was treated as Scripture; although they did not customarily use the word "Scripture", they did treat the apostolic writings with Scriptural authority. Quotations taken from the writings of the New Testament and cited as authoritative are found in the writings of Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Papias, Justin Martyr and more.

There were some questions; it is not that the books were not used, only that the inclusion was not universal. ...continue reading

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(Second essay in "Sola Scriptura!", edited by Don Kistler; this essay, "Sola Scriptura and the Early Church" is by James White. This essay is NOT on line.)

"In regard to the divine and holy mysteries of the faith, not the least part may be handed on without the Holy Scriptures. Do not be led astray by winning words and clever arguments. Even to me, who tell you these things, do not give ready believe, unless you receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of the things which I announce. The salvation in which we believe is not proved from clever reasoning, but from the Holy Scripture" (Old English Text is at the bottom of the post)

This essay is "dense" with history and makes the point that where "tradition" is used as the rule of faith, tradition is rarely defined, other than that the Council of Trent tells us that it is unwritten.

So we look to history to see if the early church defined "tradition". Was it unwritten, or is there an infallible source of "tradition"?

In this essay we are shown that the tradition that the early church fathers cited were NOT unwritten beliefs (although some were practices). From the beginning, the church fathers cited Scripture alone as the rule for faith.

Irenaeus, bishop of Lyon (c.130-c.200) writes in his work, "Against Heresies",

"On this account are we bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the things pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth...For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us the writings? Would it not be necessary [in that case] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to whom they did commit the church?"

He also wrote,

"As I have already observed, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it...for, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same."

If Irenaeus had failed to define "tradition", we would be left to believe that "tradition" is extra-biblical teaching. But Irenaeus DID define what he was writing about:

...continue reading

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Here is what Manda wrote on her blog:

I hate yellow squash

Earlier in the summer I was so sure my watermelon plant had died. I was so excited when it started growing back ... after all the time I've spent taking care of it when it came back turns out it was a yellow squash plant. My theory is that it was the squash that killed it in the first place. I never planted the squash but the packet of seeds was sitting out there it must have fallen into the garden area and after lots of rain some seeds might have come out. When the squash started to grow so close to my water melon plant they killed it. That's my theory, I'm just so disappointed that I thought my watermelon was back and really healthy (this plant in the garden is huge) and I turned out that its something disgusting like yellow squash. mom said she would buy me a watermelon for eating and we would grow a new plant in a large pot in the back yard next spring.

She's accusing the yellow squash of killing her watermelon plant!

Unlike the woman on drudge who says her kids are boring...mine are NOT!

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"What Do We Mean By Sola Scriptura?" - Dr. W. Robert Godfrey

I bought the book - this essay can be found on line here.

The first order of business is to define what Sola Scriptura is NOT.

Sola Scriptura is NOT the teaching that Scripture is the source of all truth. It is not a science text or a math text. There are sources of learning truth outside of Scripture.

Sola Scriptura is NOT the teaching that the Written Word is the only form of God's Word that has ever been brought to His people

Sola Scriptura is NOT the teaching that the church (and her people) are not valuable in understanding the Word.

"The Protestant position, and my position, is that all things necessary for salvation and concerning faith and life are taught in the Bible clearly enough for the ordinary believer to find it there and understand."

Deuteronomy 31 says,

"Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests...And Moses commanded them...when all Israel comes to appear before the LORD your God at the place that he will choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing...that they may hear and learn to fear the LORD your God, and be careful to do all the words of this law, and that their children, who have not known it, may hear and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as you live in the land that you are going over the Jordan to possess."

And the following chapter says,

"And he said to them, "Take to heart all the words by which I am warning you today, that you may command them to your children, that they may be careful to do all the words of this law. For it is no empty word for you, but your very life, and by this word you shall live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to possess."

In this one continuous "sermon" by Moses, we find that

  1. The Word/Law was written
  2. The people can (and must) listen to it and learn
  3. The Word gives life

Is this reflected in the New Testament? Paul writes in 2 Timothy,

"...and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work."

We find that:

  1. The Word is written (sacred writings)
  2. Timothy listened and learned
  3. The Word brings life (wise for salvation)

The closing paragraph of this essay sums it up:

If we would be faithful children of God, if we would be noble, we must proceed as the Bereans did. We must follow the example of Moses and Paul and our Lord Jesus. Do not rest your confidence on the wisdom of men who claim infallibility. Stand rather with the Apostle Paul who wrote in 1 Corinthians 4:6, "Do not go beyond what is written."

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  1. Chicago dogs
  2. flowers
  3. bonsai
  4. King Tut
  5. the train
  6. traffic
  7. road construction
  8. family
  9. friends
  10. phase 10
  11. rain in the garden
  12. gas prices
  13. coming home

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