Yesterday, tiro said,
the new rumors that women are just as abusive (specifically physically) as men and maybe even more so is just a bad rumor…. which I explained further in post #6.
I would say be careful what you label as "rumor"...
While it is possible that more violent women is new...it is not rumor. I've worked in a public high school fairly recently and in that school, the majority of physical fighting was done by the young women.
I can offer a lot of possibilities that could contribute to a "new" phonomena. Removing dads from the picture, or relegating them to a minor role could be preventing the teens and young adults from knowing how to interact with males in a positive way. The scarcity of male teachers adds to that absence of positive role models.
The research shows that women instigate violence as much as men and that the greatest number of violent incidents include both partners. To dismiss the research means denying men and women the help they need (either as violent partners or victims) AND serves to continue the "women good-men bad" attitude that political feminists seek to serve up.
(My computer got rebooted - by my son - and the tabs where I had the research got closed. I am in the process of locating them again. )
At any rate, we're packing for a long weekend in Chicago so I'm setting the comments to "all comments need to be approved"...feel free to comment, but everything is held in moderation and I'll get to it several times.
tiro
“Females get hurt more because of their smaller size. “
Exactly, And because of their smaller size many abusive men will take out their frustrations on these smaller women whom they can subdue more easily than other men their own size or even smaller. Men’s bodies are tougher than women’s. Even the fat on a man is more compact than on a woman. And men’s bones are denser and stronger than women’s bones. This is one major reason why there is so much world-wide abuse of women.
“But unbiased research shows that at least half of the time they strike out first and they strike out more often.”
There is very little unbiased research started by men in this area. The idea that “she started it” so “I finished it” is sin. It is excuse. And frankly no, women do not start physical fights as often as men, nor do they start physical fights with men. Women know their bodies are less durable to being thrown around and beaten up. Women yell, but that isn’t inviting a fist. Women get mad and say nasty things, but that isn’t inviting a fist. Even slapping a man in the face, which is not nice or wise, is not inviting a fist or “starting a physical fight”. Against stronger bodies women have little defense.
However, nowadays women DO start more physical fights with other women. Women are getting more “in your face” with other women.
And yes it all needs to stop.
However, it won’t as long as there is gross inequality between the sexes. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Historically men are stronger and always will be. They are socially in more respected positions and this needs to change. Women who are gifted, talented, skilled, etc, need to be free to exercise these gifts and be respected for them. Men still earn more than women for many similar jobs as well as are given first choice (sometimes, the only choice) for the high-end jobns. Slowly there are some corporations willing to change this. In the meantime, many men world wide use these social privileges against women to control them. This easily ends up with women suffering abuses at the hands of power hungry men. This will never change because the system of this world is sinful. It can only change individually in those men who are willing to learn the way of Agape in Christ. AND if women are willing to stand up and speak the truth in love, more men may be willing to see the havoc they are perpetuating, and the emotional, mental pain they have been ignoring in women's lives.
Ellen
There is very little unbiased research started by men in this area.
Reena Sommer is not a man.
If you want to write it off at biased, go ahead.
There is very little unbiased research started by men in this area.
"unbiased" as in "let's look at female-on-male violence as well and maybe possibly slightly consider the vague and unlikely thought that women can be abusers also sort of way."
Even slapping a man in the face, which is not nice or wise, is not inviting a fist or “starting a physical fight”.
Straus, Gelles, and Steinmetz (which will most likely be written off as "biased", but in reality are only politically incorrect) separated intimate violence into "minor" and "major" categories. So your above statement is irrelevant, since slapping and punching are treated differently by S, G, and S.
As long as the intimate violence treatment and prevention bows at the alter of political correctness, women abusers will go largely untreated and male abusers will be largely "on their own."
tiro
All abusers should be treated. Abuse is never acceptable no matter who does it.
The only qualm I have is this ridiculous claim that women abuse as much and equally violently as men. Any other nation in the world would just laugh off such a claim. Only in America, do we think to get away with such obtuseness.
Ellen
You keep thinking what you already believe and I'll keep reading new research coming out of major universities.
You really should read "Violent Partners". Really.
Even if you are already convinced that you by necessity must surely be right and everybody who disagrees is "ridiculous", reading another viewpoint might be ummm...enlightening.
tiro
I will give you this Ellen. Women are more verbally abusive then 30 years ago. Women also get into more physical fights with each other than 30 years ago. I think studies do show that.
But if it were true that women were now more physically aggressive towards males and males less aggressive toward women in all areas, as you claim, then we would HAVE to SEE this in our every day lives. I STILL see men being misogynistic towards women. I STILL see men not only verbally abusive toward their women and wives, but pulling control issues on them. Its all over the place even in our churches. And I STILL hear about men getting physically abusive with their wives and their wives shutting up except with other women.
But where are all these women who are so much more violent than men today? Maybe they are all in one state or even one city. But they are pretty scarce, so scarce I haven't even seen or heard of one in my city. Not to say they don't exist, but they are surely NOT the norm as your studies claim.
Maybe they are just in the high schools and colleges and we've yet to hear about them in adult circumstances. ???
tiro
For what its worth, I do agree with you on much of what you said. All abusers should be treated. Abuse is never acceptable no matter who does it.
The only qualm I have is this ridiculous claim that women abuse as much and equally violently as men. Any other nation in the world would just laugh off such a claim. Only in America, do we think to get away with such obtuseness.
Ellen
Great. I'll continue to read studies of all sorts and I'll continue to post statistics and studies.
And you'll continue to call it ridiculous.