I'm still reading in Genesis 1 and 2.
I read that man was created first - there is an order that humans were created in. Whether that means anything may be debatable.
I read that it was to the man that God gave the directions to not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (in the more detailed account in Genesis 2) - before the woman was even created. Scripture does not record that the woman was present to receive the instruction.
I read that Eve was not present when Adam had the responsibility of naming the animals...she had not been created yet.
I read that when God declared, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.", it was before the fall.
I read that when the serpent approached Eve, it was a very familiar approach..."Did God REALLY say...?"
(Around here we call them "serpent questions": "Does the Bible REALLY say...?" or..."Does it REALLY mean THAT?!?!" or..."Does that REALLY apply to us today?" Serpent questions.)
I read that after the fall, it was Adam that God questioned.
The all-knowing and all-seeing Creator of the universe would have known exactly what had happened...yet he went to Adam first.
In Ephesians 5, when Paul writes the segment of instructions to husbands and wives, (wives submit, husbands love) and refers to what God declared BEFORE the fall: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
I believe that the inclusion of the one-flesh declaration from BEFORE THE FALL into the "wives submit - husbands love" instruction, God was instructing His bride in the redemptive love of the bridegroom for the wife who lovingly and willingly submits to Him.
I believe that before the fall, Adam was created first, Adam received the instruction not to eat of the tree, Eve was created as a suitable helper (complementary even). I believe that the order in which things happened was recorded that way for a reason - the husband leads, the wife helps.
I believe that part of the curse was that no longer would a wife tend to lovingly and willingly submit to the leadership of her husband. Evil had crept in.
I believe that after the fall the temptation would be for a husband to deal harshly with his wife, denying her the love that she desires. Evil had crept in.
I believe that Christ offers us the opportunity: to reflect Christ and the church.
"The mystery is profound..."
I believe that in Christ, husbands have the privilege and responsibility of loving as Christ loves the church.
I believe that in Christ, wives have the privilege and responsibility of submitting as the church submits to Christ.
I believe that the wife has been the "helper" since the creation account. That has not changed. Woman is still the "suitable helper". Complementary. Half of the one-flesh.
I believe that the whole of Scripture leads to a reading of the husband as leader. That has not changed.
From before the fall, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
From the writing of Paul's instruction to wives and husbands, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Wives submit, husbands love.
Sue
The difficulty is that there is not such dyad in the scriptures as the leader/helper. Oddly this dyad was taught to my daughter yesterday. It must be the latest theory.
The helper is the one who succours or rescues someone else in danger. God was the "helper" or ezer in the OT. Then in the NT we find that the Holy Spirit is the helper, and in Clement we find that Christ is the helper.
The proper dyad is suppliant/helper. Man is suppliant, and woman is helper, or the one who rescues. However, since woman rescues man from lonliness, I do not believe that the use of the term helper for woman actually puts her in the role of God to man. I do think she was an equal ally.
I had never heard the leader/helper dyad until yesterday, so I wonder is this is a new teaching.
Ellen
hmm. I grew up with it. So I wonder that you might think that this is a new teaching.
Tell me please, what did Adam need rescuing from in the Garden of Eden, the portrait of perfection?
For somebody who was specifically created to be a "rescuer" (in your interpretation)...I think that perhaps she was not very efficient as "rescuing".
Ellen
Man has the first place because of the order of creation.” Theodoret, Commentary on the First Epistle to the Corinthians, 234 (A.D. 435).
Ellen
Sue, does Scripture tell us that Adam was suffering from loneliness? That he needed rescuing?
Or was it God that decreed simply that "it was not good that man should be alone"?
Sue
Oh, you grew up with that dyad. Somehow my parents never got beyond quoting scripture so I had not heard that man was leader until recently. Of course, when I married I did hear that the wife was to obey.
I really have no idea how to elaborate the sense of ezer, but it most certainly has the sense of someone who is stronger and offers a protective alliance.
Let's say that Eve did not rescue Adam from lonliness but she only rescued him from the "not goodness of being alone."
Sue
PS Thanks for helping me to understand that the leader/helper dichotomy has been around for some time. I honestly missed it.
Ellen
You're welcome.
We can certainly say that Eve rescued Adam from being alone (although it was God who supplied the means of the rescue).
What is certain (I believe) is that men and women were created differently, and for different purposes.
Sue
Yes, women were created to mother and men to father. However, I certainly bust a gut to be the provider and protector. I have a motherly voice, but the cash is the same colour.
Sue
The same with you. Except that you say that you have men in your life who help you out and I don't. Other women help me out.
Sue
PS Sorry. My last comment may be an untrue assumption. But, you know, we do provide for our kids.